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Will the Real Barbarian Please Stand Up?

I was watching a couple of episodes of Terry Jones’ “The Barbarians” (2006) the other night. Terry Jones, in case you don’t remember him, is a Monty Python alum. He is also a medievalist. And an entertaining fellow. And as willing, as it turns out, to play with the facts every bit as much as anyone else in order to prove a point.

Facts are funny things, you see. They are, if they truly are facts, indisputable. Put them all together and you get a picture – generally a realistic picture. The problem is, there tend to be LOTS of facts. If you leave a few facts out, are the facts that remain still facts? Well, yes, they are, but they form an incomplete picture. In other words, your facts are still facts but the factual sum of the parts does not equal the factual parts. This is a case where facts can be made to lie.

Terry Jones is quite anxious to show that those nasty old Romans weren’t really the civilized party. Or, to put it more accurately perhaps, that those nasty old barbarians the Romans were always going on about, weren’t really the barbarians. In the first of the two episodes I took a look at, he talked about Gaul and Caesar’s conquest. It was very interesting and he had me smiling a time or two, sometimes because he’s a witty fellow and other times because of his attempts to spin the facts. To make them dance for him.

One example was the fate of Vercingetorix. If you’ll remember, the defeated Gaul was brought to Rome and thrown into a pit, or prison, for five years while Caesar finished the Civil Wars. He was then trotted out, along with some other conquered leaders, and paraded in Caesar’s triumphal procession. He was then quietly strangled and his body dumped. Jones gleefully pointed out how barbaric the nasty old Romans were. Now I’m not trying to assume the posture of a Roman apologist, but let’s be fair, at the very least, Terry! You point to Vercingetorix? I invite you to look at what we still do to foreign leaders today. Take a look at Nuremberg, if you will. Or if that’s not recent enough for you, to Saddam Hussein. We still kill defeated leaders. Are you telling me the Gaul’s wouldn’t have killed Caesar had roles been reversed?

Or let’s look at another nifty attempt to spin the facts. Jones, ever so apparently guileless but clever, almost with daemonic glee, built up the tension as he led into some deep, dark, horrible secret about the Gauls that horrified the Romans. What was it? Human sacrifice? No, of course not. It was the role of women. Apparently, if we are to believe Jones, the Romans were terrified of the Gauls because the Gauls granted women a higher status in society than the Romans did. Funny, what I remember horrifying the Romans was human sacrifice. You see, by Caesar’s day, nobody could remember human sacrifices in Rome. The last had been while Hannibal was knocking on the gates of the city itself. Caesar was as removed from the reality of human sacrifice as we are from slavery. We can’t imagine the reality of it and unless you’re a member of the Republican base, you don’t much care for the idea. We find it horrible.

But Rome attacked Gaul because Gaul treated its women well?

I’m not saying some peoples did not treat their women better than others. Or probably to be fair, differently. But let’s face facts. Gaul and Brennus no more attacked Rome in the fourth century BCE over its treatment of women than Caesar and the Romans attacked Gaul in the first century BCE over its treatment of women. The Romans tended not to be terribly offended by what other cultures did. Mock them, yes. But everybody mocks every body else because they’re different. We still do that in today’s world. But the Romans, like America in Iraq, attacked not out of moral outrage, but out of avarice and other usual excuses, such as natural resources, glory, avarice, etc.

And let’s face another fact: fact cannot be, should not be, taken out of context of other facts. This applies not only to my point about how we treat defeated leaders, but about historical context. Caesar didn’t invade Gaul in a vacuum. Jones was right to bring up the memory of Brennus and how much it affected even the Romans of Caesar’s day. Historical memory can be long. Ask the Russians. Ask the French. But history did not hop from 387 BCE to 58 BCE. There is the little issue of continuity – the arrival of the Cimbri and Teutones in Gaul and the crushing defeat of several Romans armies and the threat posed by these migrations to Rome itself. Rome, like Russia, remembered invasion – Russia from the east, Rome from the north. Or, to use another example, France remembered well the march of the Prussian army across France in 1870 when World War I began – about the same span of time from the invasion of the Cimbri and Teutones to Caesar’s consulship.

But we don’t want to let some facts get in the way of other facts, do we? It’s nearly impossible not to let how we feel about things get in the way. And I understand Jones’ point. He wants to point out that we understand the barbarian peoples through the lens of Roman writing. And of course, the victor writes the history. Point taken. There is more to the “barbarians” than we have been led to believe. Going only from a Roman PoV is no more fair than looking at Pagan culture through a Christian lens. Another sin historiography has long been guilty of – and at times, still is.

But in our quest for truth, we should not “lie” to make our point. It rather diminishes the nobility of our goal, and taints our success.

Another little point Terry Jones forgot to mention, in his efforts to make the Gauls, and in a second episode, the Celts as a whole, look good, besides ignoring the issue of human sacrifice (after all, they had a more accurate calendar than Rome!) is head-hunting. Yes, the Gauls and Celts were head-hunters. They’d lop them off and hang them from walls. Welcome to my home! Yes, this is Getorix. I killed him last year. Handsome chap, eh? They had religious reasons, of course. But human sacrifice had religious motives as well. We still find it horrifying. So did the Romans. And the Celts were still doing it in the Middle Ages.

But pointing out that his near perfect Gauls had this unappealing habit might might have diminished his attempts to make the Gauls look good by making the Romans look bad. A fair and balanced treatment, I will argue, could have achieved the same results. In fact, I’d have been much more impressed had he taken the trouble to mention the Cimbri and Teutones (rationale: If Rome controls Gaul, Rome can better defend Italy and Rome) and if he’d mentioned human sacrifice and head hunting rather than the role and status of women in society. After all, if Gauls treated women better than Romans, Pagan Romans still treated women better than the Christianized barbarians who followed in their wake – as a medievalist like Jones should know. In fact, they treated women better than some cultures treat women today. After all, Roman women could be priestesses and even have authority over men. You won’t see that happen in the Catholic Church or in many conservative Protestant denominations.

So let’s at least attempt, as we study history, to use a fair and balanced approach, and accept history with all its warts and blemishes thrown in. No culture is perfect. Since there cannot be a cultural “norm” towards which all should reach, it’s a silly idea. Cultures are not superior or inferior. They’re different. And one country does not attack another country over cultural differences. Religious, yes, but even Jones did not attempt to turn Rome’s invasion of Gaul into a crusade.

I think there is a lesson here for all of us, for Pagans and Christians alike. We have to accept the fact, as we look backwards in time, that there was no Golden Age. I know I’ve said this before but I think some modern Pagans still get that silly notion that life was perfect before the rise of Christianity. It wasn’t. It never will be. If Christianity disappeared today the world would not magically transform into utopia. People are people. They will always be people. And whatever religion dominates, whatever culture dominates, there will always be crooks and sociopaths and those who seek to better themselves at the expense of others.

It’s simplistic to say the Romans were the “good guys” and the Gauls were the “barbarians.” Yes. But it’s not an improvement to say the Gauls were the “good guys” and the Romans were the real barbarians.

The lesson here? When you read anything, watch anything, even here on my blog, take it with a grain of salt. We all have points of views and its virtually impossible to avoid an agenda of sorts when you write. Take the opportunity instead to educate yourself. Read, read, read. Then read some more. And most importantly, THINK. Think and analyze and reason and come to your own conclusions.

Addendum: In the interest of fairness, I should also point out that Jones did mention one less than savory practice of Roman culture – the exposure of unwanted infants. Using Medieval texts he then argued that the ancient Celts cared for the old and infirm as well as the young. I don’t know how accurate this claim is because I’m no expert on Celtic culture, but again, in the interest of fairness, he should also then have mentioned the head hunting and human sacrifice.

8 Comments

  1. While I agree with your post, I wonder if Jones' series was written for children by following an educational curriculum?

    There is another series (mainly book form, I think) called "Horrible Histories" (and more-worth a google or 'you-tube') charting the more gruesome side of things; that follows a similar vein.

    That was definitely written for Primary school (Elementary in USA?) children so does not give the absolute picture…just stuff they have to know to get through school.

    While I believe that children (& adults!) should learn both sides of any story, some of these books/series would be three times as thick/long to get the whole picture.

    Which also reminds me that you don't start to learn anything until you lEAVE school!

    I certainly enjoyed learning stuff as an adult that I never knew from school…..and that includes some things I've read on this blog!

    Keep up the good work!

  2. Great post, H. One of the things I didn’t care for in my perusal of Pagan sites was one idea of, “Life before Christianity was a time of peace and matriarchal harmony with the Goddess.” Yeeah, try again. You can’t even argue with such nonsense. All of our ancestors, spiritual or otherwise, did or believed things we don’t. It’s called progress.

    I’m glad you’re around to call the shots on folks who play fast and loose with the facts.

  3. Stu, so far as I know, the book is for adults. It’s offered by the Military Book Club, for example. I’d read some things in review of the book that made me think twice about it but as I was sitting in front of the TV when the show came on, I thought I’d give it a chance. I’m glad I did because now I know, but at the same time, a lot of people watch these shows and they come away believing what they see. But then again, I’m leery of many of the shows broadcasts by History Channel, Discovery, and others. They’re more interested in entertainment, after all.

    I certainly agree with you that we don’t start to learn anything until we leave school!

  4. Thanks, Granamyr. I’ve read comments by historians and other scholars who won’t appear on shows like that to be interviewed because nobody will show them the script – they want to know that their words will not be taken out of context – because they frequently are. It’s a shame, really. I’m sure if we lived in a Wiccan culture we’d be treated to the same sort of one-sided television appraisals.

  5. Thanks for commenting, Kristen. A lot of nasty stuff went on in history to be sure, that nobody talks about (rape, for example, during the Civil War). We in the US still don’t hear a lot about atrocities committed by US troops in WWII because we prefer to revere them as the “bravest generation” and we don’t want to tarnish their image or memory. Facts go down the toilet. I don’t know why one set of facts cannot exist alongside another. An entire generation cannot, after all, be perfect. There are always the good and the bad mixed in. We all know that, so let’s not be afraid to talk about it. Never telling a lie and chopping down cherry tree history belongs nowhere in school.

  6. I don’t think the message Terry Jones was trying to convey with this series was that the “barbarians” were angels and the Romans were nasty people. His point was that history has been taught from the Romans’ viewpoint and by taking their view that all non-Roman folk were barbarians, we are not giving these non-Roman cultures the credit they deserve.

    I think all Terry Jones wanted to show is that these so-called barbarian peoples actually had very rich cultures that, in many areas, were just as sophisticated as the Romans.

  7. Hengest, thanks for commenting. I do think he made that point, but he went far beyond that, misrepresenting Roman cruelties and downplaying “barbarian” cruelties. When attempting to correct bias, one should not do so by applying bias in the other direction.

  8. Of course the Romans didn’t go to war with the Gauls because the latter treated their women better! That’s an anachronistic conclusion.

    The Romans went to war in Gaul for a number of reasons, among them being a desire for territory and plunder (war is a great way to gather booty and subsequently extort tribute). They also collected slaves, mostly in the form of prisoners-of-war, and once areas were under Roman tutelage, they acquired a stream of legionnaires and/or auxiliary troops (as part of a tribute plan).

    In short, war — as the Romans waged it in Caesar’s time — was profitable. One need look no further than “the profit motive” for reasons they invaded Gaul.

    There was also historical animosity between Romans and Gauls, because the latter had sacked Rome in 387 BCE. After the Romans expelled them from Italia proper, the Gauls proceeded east and into Greece; several decades later they sacked a number of Greek cities.

    Continued raids even after this on Rome from the north, by Celts, caused the Romans to seize Cisalpline Gaul, or the portion of Gaul on the near side of the Alps, around the turn of the 2nd century BCE, as something of a preventive measure.

    Thus, in the last century BCE, the Gauls retained a reputation among Romans and Greeks for savagery that we, in the 21st, lose sight of.

    Jones forgot that, I guess.

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